Dec
28

Is it ok breed my dogs, even though they are on restricted AKC registration because they are pet quality?

By Cow

I have a Shih Tzu and a Pomeranian that are just the cutest! I plan to breed them. But, their AKC registration is restricted. I know since they are Designer Hybrids, I couldn’t register their puppies with any legitimate registry, but there won’t be a problem with the breeding, right?

I mean after all, my dogs are SPOILED! And, after all, when two dogs of different breeds are bred, it is definitely a plus for the offspring!

Don’t you think that everyone deserves to buy a good puppy at a reasonable price?

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38 Comments

1

You shouldn’t do this and expect to receive ANY money at all. If you do decide to do this, you should “sell” them for the price of their first vet costs plus a SMALL fee (no more than $20 extra) for the “raising” of them.

2

No, it’s not a good idea to breed them. Your dogs are not little money making machines – in fact, a responsible breeder spends so much $$$$ on getting their dogs tested (eyes, hips, etc) that they actually don’t make money on a litter.
I hope your question is a joke. If it is not, I strongly suggest that you go ask your local shelter this question. They’ll be happy to give you their full, unedited answer.

3

OMG finally someone who thinks the way I do! I believe totally that you should be able to get a good pet at a good price.

It doesn’t matter if the AKC registration is restricted. You just make sure you don’t let the breeder of your dogs find out. They will sue you if they find out you bred the dogs. Sell the dogs online they will be less likely to find out.
They’re your dogs after all right? You bought them, why can’t you do whatever you please. Who cares what the breeder did before you, you got the dogs now.

You go girl!

4

Please consider serious reasons for breeding.There is a severe shortage of good homes for any type of dog.There are too many cute,spoiled,designer,purebred….in shelters.Personally, I am melting at the thought of breeding-please be responsible and research all of the hard work involved in breeding and properly caring for the pups.It is alot of work, and when done properly,a lot of expense.I have no doubt that your dogs are wonderful,please be responsible.

5

Pet quality means that there are potentially undesirable traits that may not appear to a high degree in your dog, but that could be passed down to its offspring. Your dog may be lovely and happy and friendly, but those are not qualities that necessarily breed true.

In addition, small dogs are often more difficult to breed, especially when you’re cross-breeding, because they are little and the risk of the pups growing inside them is greater. Pregnancy is always a strain on the dog, and a dog who has puppies is at a higher risk for physical problems and diseases, including cancer later in life. If you really want to spoil your dogs and give them the best possible life, get them spayed and neutered and let them stay your babies.

6

Problem is, they WON’T be good pupies. They haven’t bewen tested for genetic disorders and their conflicting conformations will cause you to have lame, mutts with early onset arthritis. Poor idea al around. Guess whare they will wind up? As the stars of this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4630182195637750564&q=euthanasia+shelter&total=30&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

7

From reading your question you are someone that should not be breeding dogs.and i don’t say this to be mean I’m just telling you the truth.

8

do not breed your dogs. Have them spayed and neutered. The shelters are full of unwanted “designer” dogs- which is another name for mutt, no matter how cute it is. you are being a backyard breeder and you do not know what you are doing. you are cross breeding inferior specimens of these breeds and in over 98% of these instances you will have pups that will come away with the worst of both breeds- health issues, temperament issues and the like. For every “cute wittle puppy” that you breed and find a home for there is another cute little puppy in a shelter that will never find a home. Millions of unwanted dogs are killed each year in shelters because there are simply not enough homes for them. they either die by a leathal injection or in a gas chamber, then their carcasses are loaded on to trucks and taken to be burned- they die scared and alone. Have your pets spayed and neutered. It is so much healthier for them anyways.

There seems to be a veritable swarm of Holly Trolls tonight- I need to get out the large can of Rid-A-Troll

9
esoeterik_librarian
December 28th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

Don’t do it!

Dog breeding is not a game or something to do on a whim. You are creating living breathing animals that will either live a very short painful life, or that will most likely live a long painful life.

It is one thing to breed two dogs from the same breed together because you know roughly what the puppies will look like. Where I live in New Zealand there was a story in once of the pet magazines that talked about this poor puppy that was a cross breed and the eye balls keeping popping out because the eye ball was genetically from one parent – and the eye socket was genetically from the other parent. I am not making this up. I personally had a German Shepherd Rottwheler cross that had to be put to sleep at 18 months because he got one leg bone from his dad and one from his mum – and after having him on powerful painkillers for 14 months we had to make the painful decision to put him to sleep.

Your dogs are not toys to play with, and you are being completely irresponsible if you carry through with this breeding. It costs a lot to breed good dogs, and you need to do it properly. The best thing you can do is get your dogs neutured and speyed and enjoy them rather than trying to make money out of them.

10

spay and neuter, they will be a lot better!!!

11

People can go to shelters and rescues and get a good puppy for a reasonable price. This is how most of them ended up there anyway. Breeding mixed breed dogs gives you mutts and there are plenty of them already.

You should spay and neuter your dogs and encourage other people to do the same because dogs (puppies) die everyday due to irresponsible breeding.

You don’t breed a dog because it is cute. You breed to better the breed. You can not do this by breeding 2 different breeds.
All you would be doing is creating mutts.

12

What are you thinking or not thinking at all. No they will not be a designer dog or for that matter even a dog someone would even want.
Have you even matted 2 dogs before do you even know what to do? I seriously doubt it. I’m not even ging to get into how to whelp the dam if she doesnt need a c-section. What ever money you think your going to make you will spend twice that much just getting the litter delivered.

Get the dam spayed and forget about the money.

13

Do not breed your dogs. Why would you possibly think that breeding dogs of differen t breeds is a plus? It’s a crapshoot as to whether you get the best or worst of each breed. Breeding any dogs without doing the necessary genetic testing is a disastrous idea. Please check out this:

http://www.wonderpuppy.net/breeding.htm#breeding

14

Pet quality dogs that are sold on limited registration should be spayed and neutered.

15

Everyone does deserve a good puppy. You ca find them on petfinder.com.

I wouldn’t take any amount of money for my mixed breed rescue dog that I got as a puppy.

there’s also a lot more to breeding than just having a cute puppy. PLEASE don’t breed your dogs.

16

Are you trying to justify creating mongrels? They are on restricted registration for the reason that breeding them would not improve the breed. They may have structural problems that could be transmitted to their offspring.

I am glad that you think your dogs are cute and spoiled. But despite hybrid vigor, you have no idea the genetics the puppies may receive from the parents. Cute parents is no guarantee what the puppies would turn out looking like. If you do breed your pets, are you willing to make sure the dam receives vet check-ups. Pom bitches can have difficulties whelping due to their small size. If the Shih Tzu is the female, are you willing to do the grooming necessary to enable her puppies to nurse easily? Are you willing to pay a vet to remove the dewclaws on the puppies? Give first booster shots? Screen prospective owners of the puppies to ensure a good home? Be willing to take back any dog you breed if the placement doesn’t work out? I think you need to rethink your reasoning. There are a lot of mixed breed dogs in the pound or animal shelters awaiting euthanasia. The last four words in your question tells it all..”at a reasonable price.”

17

There isn’t a problem with it. Just make sure your male is smaller than your female so that it doesn’t kill her.

There is nothing wrong with having a mixed breed puppy or pet. Everyone does deserve a good puppy for a reasonable price. Some people charge downright outrageous prices.

What is wrong with breeding and making a little money. Some of you on here are down right ugly when it comes to breeding dogs. Just because there are strays in your area doesn’t mean there are alot of strays in other area’s.

18

Do you know what you get when you cross a shih tzu and a pom? A mutt. Do you know how many mutts die each year in shelters? Thousands.

Doesn’t matter that your dogs are spoiled. Mine are too, so are thousands of others, who belong to responsible pet owners who care more about the well being of the pets they could be creating than their own pocketbook.

Yes, everyone deserves to buy a good puppy at a reasonable price, but what assurances do you have that these pups won’t be the worst of the medical issues of each breed? None. You are not an educated breeder with years of experience at selecting the right dogs for the correct coupling. You are not a vet who has carefully selected and tested each of your dogs for health issues and problems. You are not even an upstanding individual if you will put your own personal gain over the welfare of future animals that might created by this union. Restricted contract aside, this should not even cross your mind because it is ethically wrong. And, what if you lose your dog during the pregancy? For what, a few dollars in your pocket.

Shame on you!

19

I dont know why people are being so mean to you they are your dogs and YOU can do whatever you want with your dogs. I am sure that they are very sweet and spoiled dogs make the best parents as they they know how much you love them so then they love their puppies more. Besides, no one who sold you the dogs under the contract will ever know so you can do it and then make puppies and then people will have your cute puppies for Christmas!!!

20

Yes I want to buy puppy Shih Tzu or Pomeranian you can lie is okay

21

If the breeder put your dogs on limited register (“restricted AKC papers”) they did it for a reason – because your dogs are not breeding quality.

There are many problems that you could have breeding your dogs, including issues with the b!tch’s pregnancy, the b!tch needing an emergency c-section which can cost more than $1000, puppies that are born still born, puppies that are born deformed, fading puppy syndrome, health problems that arise with the pups because YOU don’t know anything about dog breeding or genetics.

When two dogs of different breeds are bred, it is most certainly NOT a plus for the offspring. Majority of the time, the dogs bred from have not been health tested (and no, this does not been vet checked!!!) for breed specific health problems, the difference in size and structure can mean puppies have joint, hip and elbow problems, puppies characteristics and temperment are almost always impossible to predict because it can be any combination of its parents, grandparents or any other dog in its genetic history.

There are puppies at reasonable prices. They are in the local pound, bred by people like yourself. I also have two papered pedigree purebred dogs that were what I consider a reasonable price for well bred, health tested and structurally sound dogs. Please don’t breed your dogs. You are just another uneducated and naive backyard breeder who will be adding more unwanted dogs to rescue.

22

Your dog may be cute but that is no reason to breed it! Are you ready to pay for an emergency C-section when things go wrong? Are you ready to lose your dog when this happens? Have your pets spayed and neutered. Enjoy your dog for the pet it is. If you have no idea what happens to these poorly bred mix breeds, go visit your local shelter on a day when they are putting them to sleep, which is daily. Why would you want to do this? Pets are being killed by the millions because of the lack of good homes. After all you said your dog was “pet quality” no breeding quality. The ONLY reason to breed a dog is to improve the breed, yours is a mixed breed… nothing to improve on!

23

The reason they are on restricted pedigrees is because their breeders, who one assumes know what they are doing, do not feel that either of these dogs are of sufficient quality to be used at breeding.

As for the story that putting two different pure breeds together ensures hybrid vigour – it is a MYTH. Hybrid vigour is when you cross two subspecies NOT two breeds within the same species. Here with designer *mutts*, we are talking about centuries of breeding each particular breed, each with their own set of genetic hereditary issues, including health problems. The responsible breeder health tests all their breeding stock to reduce the risk of any of those problems being produced. They know the history of generations upon generations of their dogs. They ensure that they do all they can to produce a health, happy puppy. One of the many reasons pure bred puppies cost more than the mutts (a designer dog by any label is still a mongrel, still a mutt).

When you blend two different, yet highly genetically focussed breeds, you create an animal that can manifest BOTH sets of genetic problems, often in much worse levels. It takes upwards of 10 generations of concentrated breeding to ensure that those genetically blended problems are lessened.

So, while you believe in your heart that your two dogs are wonderful, are you willing to ensure that they are thoroughly tested for any health problems? Are you willing to provide each and every puppy buyer with a warranty regarding health? Are you willing to pay the big bucks necessary to ensure that if there are problems with whelping, that your girl is saved? Can you afford a Caesarian? Can you afford to lose some or all of the puppies. What will your reaction be if you lose your girl due to complications?

24

No No No it’s not ok. There’s that’s the shortest nicest way I can answer your question!

25

Is “Holly Mills” the name of your puppy mill,then? =0)

26

Designer Hybrids ? dont you mean designer mutts aka cross breeds aka mongrels

how is it a “plus” for the offspring , that will probally end up in a pound
there are plenty of dogs in pounds or rescue who needs to be spoiled and given love,
you dont show much love to your dogs if you are even considering this
if you love your dogs as you say
then get them desexed

27

That would make them like 4 weeks old at Christmas! OMG that’s the PERFECT age to get a puppy!!!

28

Not a good idea. I agree that everyone (particularly those who are able and willing to take care of a dog) should be able to get one at a reasonable price. But that opportunity already exists, since there are so many mixed-breed “designer” dogs already at dog pounds and shelters. You adding your potential offspring to that number is not helpful at all. I don’t have a problem with mutts…I have a mixed-breed Newfie-Collie mix, he’s beautiful and I absolutely love him. We got him at the local humane society shelter. But there are so many dogs in such shelters that don’t get adopted, and many of them eventually get euthanized.

Your choice to breed is not about you. It’s about the future of your pets and the offspring they bear because of your breeding. If you really care about your dogs and about dogs in general, you wouldn’t do this.

29

Pet quality dogs should not be bred, period. Even if an AKC registered dog is bred to another of the SAME breed that is also AKC registered. The reason your dogs were sold on limited registrations is because they are NOT breeding stock quality. AKC registrations, while one of the the only U.S. registrations worth anything ,are still not worth much more than the paper they are printed on. The QUALITY of the dogs is much more important, and you were already informed that your dogs are qualified only as pets, not breeders.

It’s ridiculous to think that breeding two inferior dogs will produce a superior result…I don’t know where you got this idea, but you should NOT trust the person who gave you this information.

When you breed “pet quality” dogs the puppies are often just as “defective” as the parents…health problems are more common (luxating patellas, hip problems, allergies, etc.) and undesirable traits are passed on. Good puppies are reasonably priced even at $2000, your dogs are VERY unlikely to produce good puppies, in fact, they’re unlikely to even produce puppies that are GOOD ENOUGH. The breeder knew what they were doing when they sold these dogs on limited registrations, please talk to the breeders of your dogs for information on why your dogs are NOT qualified to be bred.

30

Are you prepared to fork out thousands of $$ if something goes wrong? Ring your vet and ask for a quote on a 2am public holiday C-section.

Google dog resues and pounds and have a look at all the cute fluffy little dogs locked up in cages because Backyard Breeders decided they should breed their dogs – without any regards to the health testing that should be carried out.

And to the person excited about puppies for Xmas – call the pund and ask how many dogs are dumped in January & Feburary because people don’t think about the cost of food, vet fees, training and equipment – or even that the person may not want a dog anyway.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, but these dogs were passed over by a professional REGISTERED Breeder for a reason and there is no reason in the world that could be good enough for Joe Blow off the street to start breeding even more mongrels!

31

Yes, everyone desevers to buy a GOOD puppy at a REASONABLE price.

Let me explain – I am not a breeder of dogs, nor do I ever want to breed dogs, I am someone who has suffered at the hands of another who should not have bred dogs.

19 months ago I wanted a little mate to go running with (ETA – Rex never got to come for a run with me, he died before he was old enough!). I love Border Collies and when I was a kid you got your dogs from a pet shop so, off to the pet shop we went and bought a Border Collie.

The first night we got him home the problems started…..he cried and cried and cried. It didn’t matter how much we ignored him or played with him he would cry when he was alone. After 2 weeks we got him a little mate – still no stopping the crying.

Then we started to get him out into the world. He was aggressive towards other dogs from the outset.

THEN at 4 months he began to limp. By seven months we just about had his behavioural issues sorted out, only to find that the limp wasn’t going to go away and even with MAJOR surgery and 2 months in a crate there was no guarantee of a soloution to the problem, not to mention the arthritis he had already developed as a result of his GENETIC problems.

At seven months my poor boy was put to sleep because an irresponsible person had bred him without health testing. Into the bargain they had weaned him too early and not socialised him (I haven’t gone into the detail here, but it was clear to those who know dogs and knew him) so we had behavioural problems + health problems. 12 months later I still haven’t forgiven myself for what happened to poor Rex.

So to clarify, if you breed your two dogs they will NOT be GOOD puppies and anything you charge for them will not be REASONABLE…….IMO leave breeding to the professionals. If you really want to breed then go and learn about it and register yourself as a breeder –

Please, please, please do the right thing by your pups and the people who buy them and give them the best start possible, not a roll of the dice.

For the record, the little girl we got to keep Rex company is an awesome dog and is incredibly well trained (sheep herding, flyball, agility obedience), but given my previous experience not a day goes by that I don’t prey she does not end up suffering the same fate as my little man because of a genetic flaw somewhere in her make up.

32

UGGH NO! What are you talking about when you say ,”And, after all, when two dogs of different breeds are bred, it is definatly a plus for the offspring!”??????? That doesn’t make any sense what so ever. If you breed a Shih Tzu with a congenital illness to a Pomeranian, you think the offspring will be better off? You have no common sense. If your dogs are your pets then you shouldn’t breed them. The female could die and then your precious “pet” will be dead. There are millions of dogs in shelters. We don’t need you or anybody else breeding junky mixed breeds for people to buy b/c they are “hybrids”, a glorified mutt. Just keep them as pets and don’t be a money grubbing BYB!

33

Yes, they do but given that you clearly know nothing about dog breeding or genetics, I’d suggest you pull your head in and get your dogs desexed and don’t add to the millions of dogs who die each year in shelters. What makes you think that you’d get the best of both breeds? What happens when you get sued because your pups get the worst of both breeds? Will you take the pups back at any age? Will you provide continuing support to the owners? Are you prepared to fork out the money to a vet when something inevitably goes wrong when your poor dog gives birth? Even the most experienced AKC breeders have problems and you know nothing about breeding. People should be getting their dogs from shelters and rescue services or be going to ethical breeders which you are clearly not. The dog pounds are full of these crossbred mutts and so many of them die there because of people like you.

34

Congratulations on buying your dogs from REGISTERED BREEDERS. No doubt you thought that it was important to have your dogs coming from somewhere reputable and with all the genetic testing done to secure their health. Why do you then think it is ok to sell puppies without papers or genetic testing? There is no logic. More often than not purebred, registered dogs are sold at a cheaper price than “designer mutts”. Even petshops sell puppies more expensively than registered breeders who are usually in it for the love and betterment of the breed they are involved in. How about you contact the breeders of your dogs and see if they want their limited register pets cross bred with something else!!
Most registered breeders offer to take back puppies or dogs they have bred if the new owners can’t keep them anymore – are you set up to take 7 or 8 dogs back because the owners don’t want them? Do you want to see them in shelters waiting to be put down like all the other abandonded mutts out there? Do you have the thousands of dollars required for emergency caesarians, vet checks, special diets and vaccinations of your new “reasonably priced” mutt puppies? What do you even think reasonably priced is?? Can you take the time off work to care for a litter of puppies? What will you do when you have 6 or so 5 week old poo machines running around your house? That’s just a few questions which hopefully make you realise NO is the best solution.

35

Every one does deserve to get a puppy at a reasonable price..thats why they have registered breeders who breed for the love of their chosen breed, and rescue dogs that you can aquire through a shelter pound etc. Why on earth would you want breed your 2 dogs, destroying the trust their breeder placed in you, and wind up with potentially 4-6 little problems?
Pounds are already full of adorable little ideas much the same as yours. Most of them dont make it out. do you really want to risk your dogs life carrying, whelping, and bring into the world little lives that will only be killed?
go get your dogs desexed, the pounds dont need your additions to them

36

Under no circumstances should you even consider this course of action. The fact that you asked is a clear indication that you are totally ill prepared for whole situation.
You love your dogs, then do the very best thing yo can for them – neuter them and let them live their lives as your babies. There are enough forgotten and abandoned dogs, PLEASE do not add to the horror. Do a little research for yourself , open your eyes and your mind, have a look on a couple of rescue websites and see the gorgeous, matted, discarded little darlings that were once cute puppies from cute spoiled parents. Not everyone will treasure your babies as you do yours and some will abandon them once they are no longer cute (and with the genetic makeup you are considering it won’t take long.)
Don’t do it! Don’t do it ! Don’t do it! Don’t do it! Don’t do it!

37

How about you ring the breeders of your AKC registered dogs and see how they feel about your breeding plans??
Pretty sure they will be rather annoyed at you. When you purchased these animals you would have agreed to desex them at 6months as it is standard when purchasing a pet quality animal.
You should be ashamed of yourself. YOU add to the animals in the pounds. YOU add to the poor animals in the pet shops.
YOU are responsible for this.
You have no idea what goes into breeding and are willing to risk the health of your pets to make some cash?
Do you realise that an emergency c section can cost up to $2000.00? Do you realise that your female whilst in whelp must be fed puppy food for the nutrients and vitamins? Do you have a whelping box? Are you prepared to hand feed these puppies if your female does not take to them or dies in birth or tries to killthe pups? Are you prepared to vaccinated and microchip these pups? It is law that they be microchipped and vaccinated BEFORE they go to new homes, homes which they are not allowed to go to BEFORE they are 8weeks old. Are you prepared to look after them until then?

Think long and hard and ring your breeders, YOU are the reason so many breeders are desexing their pups BEFORE they leave at 8 weeks.

38

NO if you breed two dif breeds together you could get the worse problems from both breeds in the pups
do you think it is ok for people to buy a pup if it is cheap but ends up riddle with genetic problems will you pay the vet bill for all off spring if they have problems
at least with purebreds you know what problems you could possibly reproduced cross breds you don’t know what you could get
can you afford to feed vacc mircochip and take time off work to care for the pups what if mum needs a c-section or dies from having pups that are to big are you prepared for that
there is more to having pups than just putting a to b

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